Comments on: Images from Tuesday Urumqi Demonstrations

By: Буйный Урумчи / Новости Китая / Магазета

Буйный Урумчи / Новости Китая / Магазета — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:13:08 +0000

[...] в СУАР, «The New Dominion» (ведётся на английском) были размещены фотографии с демонстрации в Урумчи, прошедшей во [...]

By: Porfiriy

Porfiriy — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:22:46 +0000

Helen, did you read the title of the post? These are images from the Tuesday demonstration. Tuesday. 星期二。

By: Helen

Helen — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:04:17 +0000

Foor so sorry about ur article coz it is biased. If it is only a demonstration, why they attacked innocent civilian and taken 157 lives (maybe more) till then, who were the passenger in the buses, customers in the shops, children playing on the square and people walking on the streets? And, over 130 of the victims were Han Chinese.

Pls find more pictures about the real. See what thy brave Uyghur boys done. If u were a Han Chinese living in urumqi, what would u do to protect urself when u have to go out for work or food with fear of attack?

http://culture.chinaguideblog.com/archives/gettyimage-ugihur-women-violent-han-chinese-july-7.html

Can u imagine what if this happened in USA or French? Ethic tension is very complicated and need more wisdom and toleration. In Urumqi, Han Chinese complain that thy Uyghurs can have more children, free education, more chances to enroll into colleague with less scores, less punishment if they commit crimes. For Uyghur, they complained they were biased when seeking for job, robbed of the mines of their homeland.

Anyway, Urumqi is a beautiful city, homeland for many ethic groups. Hope all the people can live happily together.

By: Ralphie

Ralphie — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:38:50 +0000

I feel sorry to see how someone can bluntly declare that it is OK (or even desired) to cut the link between the background and the violence. Hastily jumping into revenge without looking at the historical background will guarantee circles of violence. This is not the time to emphasize on revenge or adding oil to the already burning nationalism, not if China wants a genocide or jihad. I remember on the issue of TIME magazine about a week after 9/11, there is a photo of an Afghan hound with this sentence below it: “Most of the Afghans are like me, they just want to shake your hands.”
Scenes of violence is not lacking on the CHinese media. But on the flip side, besides empty slogans calling for “harmony,” China lacks a public forum to call for a total review of its policy toward the minorities. It doesn’t take a rock scientist to know how to talk about violence and rage. Believe me, even monkeys get into clans and fight each other. But it takes human intelligence and conscience to know how to cut the circle of violence by looking back and looking forward.

By: Porfiriy

Porfiriy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:29:58 +0000

If that’s your point, then its wrong, because I’m NOT trying to prove the Western media’s coverage is right (I’ve already admitted there are several mistakes, see above), I’m trying to prove YOUR allegation that the media is saying “It is OK to attack Chinese civilians” is wrong. You’re conflating way too many things here, and you are frequently taking one thing and interpreting it to mean something bigger than it is.

Frankly, I don’t understand what your “ultimate point” is – the language isn’t clear.

As for offending me, yeah, you sort of did, but not because of some grand moral feeling, but mostly because there are four writers on this blog and each one is entitled to his or her own opinion, and you made a judgment about my moral opinions based on someone else’s article. It’s really simple, nothing grandiose here. Again, your tendency to conflate things, I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from just because two people are part of a same group effort doesn’t automatically mean they have the same opinions or beliefs about something.

By: alexis

alexis — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:35:10 +0000

My point is: by pointing out Chinese government is committing terrible crimes does NOT prove western medaia’s cover of Urumqi massacre right. That’s the same logic in rebutting the idotic argument some Chinese ‘Angry Youth’ may put forth, as you always point out if I remember right, which is: that American politics is not doing right does not mean Chinese government should not be criticized in such and such respects. I didn’t in any sense require you to cover American politics. It’s basically the rhetoric logic I am trying to highlight. My English is not good enough and I am trying my best to make myself clear.

My ultimate point may be put like this: I don’t have any problem at all stressing the background reason for the killing in the streets of Urumqi.But reason is reason, killing is killing, don’t talk one thing as if you are talking another. Is that too much to ask?

On the morality issue, I just mean that you can’t just put all social and political questions to a moral judement that can decide everything, while things on the ground may be a thousand more diverse and complicated. Well, tt’s just my personal feeling reading you majestic blog on the new dominion, that’s all. Sorry if I offended you, which I kinda did.

By: chemhu

chemhu — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:39:55 +0000

All the trends of western media just send the clear signal that, because Chinese government is bad, it is OK to attack Chinese civilians, businesses, or cultural representations. I am very convinced of that. That’s exactly the opposite narrative of 9/11.
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I do not see any difference between this guy and the rioters in Urumqi.
Chinese gov said the outsiders stired up the unrest and the killing, I did not believe that. But now I have to say Chinese gov is right.

By: Porfiriy

Porfiriy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:41:17 +0000

“But pointing out that Chinese government is doing wrong doesn’t prove that you are doing right. Am I right? Isn’t that the strategy you constantly use?–pointing out American government is not doing a good job doesn’t mean Chinese government is doing right. Now please use this stragety on yourself.”

What? That makes no sense whatsoever. This blog isn’t addressing whether or not what the American government is doing is right. There are plenty of American blogs in America that criticize the American government, if that’s what you want. You can’t fault us for not covering the American government because that’s not the purpose of this blog.

By: Porfiriy

Porfiriy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:37:23 +0000

Name one? This was on the front of the paper edition of the New York Times today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/world/asia/09han.html?_r=1&ref=world

So… yeah.

Also, I recommend not using the phrase “not like you.” I haven’t expressed my opinions on the morality of the issue, so you really aren’t in a position to make a judgment of it, are you?

By: alexis

alexis — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:01:18 +0000

Though please don’t take me wrong. I don’t hate western media and the West as such. Actually, I like them. But, not like you, I am just willing to live with the fact that on one moral issue there isn’t always only one coherent answer.